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The old switcheroo  

40Deuce 46M
4635 posts
2/1/2016 6:34 pm

Last Read:
2/7/2016 9:31 am

The old switcheroo


I think you mean what's good for the goose is good for the gander .

What is a gander anyway ?

Its a goose that's had the old switcheroo pulled on it .

Man on Fire , produced by 20th Century Fox , theatrical release 2004 , starring Denzel Washington is one of my favorite movies . There's really nothing super special about it , its not a new story , but its well done and I like it . Fun fact it was actually adapted to film in 1987 also - never seen that version , I'm told its not very good .

The point is that its based on a book and I've been trying to find a copy ever since I found that out - it was strangely hard to track down , in English anyway , I guess the author is BIG in Japan . But finally I managed to get a hold of a copy and I'm about done with it . And you know what ? I don't really care for it , the movie is much better . Pretty freaky huh ? I don't know if I've ever said that before .

Spoilers , I guess , if the term applies to a decade old movie and a book that's almost 40 years old .

The movie was set in Mexico while the book is set in Italy . I don't know why but this really kind of threw me off . I guess because even though its not true at all I feel like I "know" Mexico whereas Italy is completely foreign to me . I feel like maybe some of the book was lost on me because I know little to nothing about Italian culture . Also , and perhaps this is blandly racist , but I feel like the kind of anarchy that happened in the movie you could get away with in Mexico more than Italy . This difference was fairly minor though , it was just the first big change .

Probably the number one thing I don't like about the book is in the book Creasy , a broken down 50 year old man who no social skills , bangs all the hotties . This is eye rolling at worst and completely superfluous at best . You know that movie didn't have ? Creasy mentioning how tight Lisa's pussy was . I can only assume that the author was a broken down dude in his 50s and this was some kind of wishful thinking . It made NO sense .

Denzel Washington's performance in the movie didn't depart from the Creasy in the book much at all , but there was a very subtle difference that made him likable while I didn't really care about the Creasy in the book . Creasy in the movie seemed like someone who was just tired , he's so much bad shit he just didn't want to deal anymore - and while the book said that's what he was he came off more as just a robot . A robot who banged all the hotties . Its a cliché but its true "show don't tell" , the book told me Creasy was a world-weary merc who felt lost but it didn't show me that . It showed me kind of a weirdo .

In the movie they thought Pita was dead but she turns out to be alive and Creasy trades his life for hers - which is powerful stuff . Although I haven't finished it yet in the book it seems pretty clear that Pinta is dead , dead , dead (and was abused first) and I know that Creasy lives because there's more books about him . And while normally I am the first one to cry "bullshit" when Hollywood tries to happy up an ending (Minority Report , Blade Runner) I think the movie ending to be much more compelling and enjoyable .

Find out that Pita's alive changes the whole dynamic - it ratchets up the tension 5000 degrees . Because as enjoyable as it might be to see a dude dismantle a organized crime ring with a special set of skills for revenge in the end its more or less meaningless , as revenge is . But when we find out Pita is alive Creasy's (banned word) mission suddenly takes on another dimension - he can save her , but how ? To steal a line from Sin City (great comic , great movie) "An old man dies , a young girl lives - fair trade ."

In the book while I'm sure it will be satisfying to when Creasy takes out all the Mafioso types its not as good .

Which brings me to my next point . WAY too much of the book is about Creasy preparing for his mission . Its more realistic sure , if you were the badass soldier of the world you'd probably train and plan for three months before taking on a gang of kidnappers and their corrupt police pals , but you know how much of that I need to hear about ? One chapter , tops . Seems like half the book is about that - I guess it gives him more hottie banging time . I'd say take 20% of that time and devote it to building the Creasy-Pita/Pinta relationship , which seemed rushed in the book and well done in the movie , and the remaining 80% to the whole revenge-murdering part , I'm almost done with the book and that hasn't even started yet .

And check this out , my favorite , favorite , favorite thing about the movie is that Creasy actually does the job - when the kidnappers come from Pita he gets her away from them , she's safe - the only reason they get her is because she sees him get shot she runs back to try and help him . Its heartbreaking , and its probably what a lot of would do . Whereas in the book Creasy just fails .

So there you go , an in-depth amateur analysis for a movie you've probably not seen and book you probably haven't read .

Here's another fun fact , Man on Fire was a moderate success in the theater but it crushed it in DVD rentals and sales . It made 130 million in the theater and 125 million in rentals and sales . That's nuts . Why do you think that is ? Not a ton of people saw it in the theater but they all loved it an bought it ? Or did it have really good word of mouth post-theater ? Is it possible to even know ?

Creasy: Top professionals try to kidnap your I'll do the best I can but the service will be on par with the pay.

Samuel: What if amateurs try?

Creasy: I'd probably kill 'em.

Creasy: Okay, my friend. It's off to the next life for you. I guarantee you, you won't be lonely.

Creasy: Forgiveness is between them and God. It's my job to arrange the meeting.

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smartasswoman 66F  
35813 posts
2/1/2016 8:01 pm

So there was more gratuitous sex in the book than in the movie? That's a fairly rare situation. I don't think I ever saw that movie; I guess it'll have to get added to the ol' Netflix queue.


40Deuce replies on 2/2/2016 5:15 pm:
You know now that you mention it I don't think I've ever seen Denzel Washington in a sex scene

superbjversion2 69F  
24388 posts
2/2/2016 5:07 pm

That last quote is great! Maybe I'll watch the movie next time it's on cable.

Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation bangs on the door forever!


40Deuce replies on 2/2/2016 5:15 pm:
I think its worth a watch

wildoats19622 62M
3526 posts
2/4/2016 12:40 am

Zyzzyx Road is the lowest grossing movie of all time. It was released in 2006 and made $30. Six people paid to see it and one couple was the make-up artist and her date. Wiki didn't say whether the couple ever had another date.

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