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The other safe sex conversation  

Smokeblower 67M
140 posts
6/20/2014 7:44 am
The other safe sex conversation


This brilliant question: “What is it going to mean to you if we have sex?” is not my own work, but I believe it’s just as important to ask and emotionally even more powerful than the standard<b> safe sex </font></b>conversation. It’s the work of Steve Bearman of Interchange Counseling. This is a transcript of his video of February 4, 2014. I’m reposting it here with his permission and support, and I really encourage you to read all the way through the transcript:

The Other Safe Sex Conversation
Steve Bearman
February 4, 2014

Sex can be one of the greatest ways to enjoy being alive. But in the jungle of human relationships it can be difficult to decide just who it is that you want to share such intimacies with. In trying to determine the suitability and desirability of a perspective new sexual partner, there are at least three things that you probably want to keep in mind.

The first is that there are certain things that you want to be able to share and exchange with this person, for instance, pleasure and intimacy.

But there are other things that you probably know you don’t want to share and exchange with this new person and that’s where the standard<b> safe sex </font></b>conversation comes in. More about that in a second.

The third thing, and in some ways the most important, is that there are some things you can’t yet know whether or not you want to share and exchange with that person. That’s why the “other”<b> safe sex </font></b>conversation is important.

But first, for the standard<b> safe sex </font></b>conversation, because that forms the model for the other<b> safe sex </font></b>conversation.

You probably know that with a new person you don’t want to share or exchange certain undesirable microorganisms. And the way to minimize the likelihood of this is to have a conversation that involves a series of questions, and the main question is, “Do you have any sexually transmitted infections or STI’s, that you know about?” There’s a series of other questions that you can ask that help you decide how certain you are about the person’s knowledge of their own status. Like you might ask them, “Have you had any symptoms of STI’s? Or have you had any of those symptoms lately? When was the last time you got tested? How often do you get tested? Do you have any other sexual partners, and what are your<b> safe sex </font></b>practices with them?” And so on. Some of these questions can also help you determine the likelihood of sharing and exchanging pregnancy producing, reproductive sex cells, which are also something most people don’t want to share with a new sexual partner.

So that’s all pretty straightforward. Now, if you don’t have the standard<b> safe sex </font></b>conversation as a matter of course, please get some practice having it. Even get some practice just with friends. After you manage to ask those questions a few times, it becomes quite easy to do. It allows you to protect yourself and to protect this person you’re about to share this new level of intimacy with. It also makes you a more responsible member of the extended sexual communities that you enter into, anytime that you have sex with somebody new.

That’s a pretty straightforward conversation because it’s about the sharing and exchanging of microorganisms and reproductive sex cells. But there’s something even more interesting here that is where the other<b> safe sex </font></b>conversation comes in. It’s about something you don’t yet know you want to share or exchange with this new person. That is the kind of meaning they give to sex.

What does sex mean to them?

To find that out, and to find out whether your meanings and their meanings are compatible, requires another<b> safe sex </font></b>conversation, which is just another series of questions, where the main question is, “What is going to mean to you if we have sex?”

It’s a really great question to ask because it’s not hard to imagine a scenario where one person’s answer would be, “Well I wanna feel more bonded with you. Sex is a way to get bonded and get closer because I’m trying to decide whether I think you might be a good life partner for me and it’s possible that you might and I wanna make sure that I am sexually compatible with my life partner, so I want us to have this experience together but it’s really about deepening our relationship to see what kind of commitment we want to make.”

In the meanwhile, the other person would answer the question by saying, “God, sex doesn’t really mean that much to me at all. It’s really just a way of having fun and I hate it when people make such a big deal out of it.”

Now you can tell if one person has one meaning and the other person has the other meaning, and they don’t have this conversation, that afterwards they’re going to get into a lot of trouble.

If instead they have the conversation, and they both answer honestly, then they’re able to catch each other’s meanings. And they can figure out, do they want to catch one another’s meaning? It’s like catching a disease: you can catch a meaning and it’s not necessarily a meaning that you want to have. If you’re that incompatible with somebody going in, you know that afterwards there are going to be some consequences, potentially disastrous ones. So, having the conversation allows you to decide whether you want to take that risk with somebody.

On the other hand, if you find out that you both have very similar kinds of answers, then that can be very reassuring. It can allow something in you to relax that you didn’t even know was tense, so that you feel safer, more secure, more open, more able to be vulnerable going into a new sexual interaction. So it’s really great to have the conversation.

But it doesn’t end there. It’s not merely a matter of whether your meanings are opposed to one another or aligned with one another. People can have all kinds of meanings that you would never expect. And some of them you will find quite inspiring, and others you may find quite horrifying. You can learn from the experience, about whether this is somebody that you want to engage in sex with. You can also find out if there is something available for you by sharing their meanings that you wouldn’t have known about in advance. So here are some kinds of answers someone might give, that you might or might not expect, to answer the question.

One person might say, “Sex is for me is really just a way of getting to know people. Like, I just want to get to know you better, and it’s a deep kind of way of getting to know each other, so we can figure out what the right relationship for us is afterwards. Which might mean having a sexual or romantic relationship, or that we just decide to be friends, or that we have a kind of family bond that’s different but that’s not about sex. I really just want to get to know you this way. I think it’s an interesting way to get to know people.”

Somebody else might say something like, “Sex for me is a spiritual practice. We have become so cut off, so divided from our connection with everything. And the kind of union and communion that happens in sex, I feel can bring us back into connection with the Universe, and it brings us closer to God. That’s what sex is for me, and it’s a practice that I’m interested in engaging in with you.”

Someone else might say, “Well I am having sex right now in my life because I am working on my sexuality. I don’t want this to seem impersonal, but there’s some work I’m trying to do. I’m trying to free myself of sexual shame that I’ve been conditioned with. Or, I want to have some positive sexual experiences to override the negative sexual abuse that I’ve experienced in my past. Or maybe, I’m trying to explore what my sexual orientation really is and so I’m just exploring and experimenting and I’m hoping you would be wiling to experiment with me. I think some healing could happen in our relationship. I trust you to be somebody I can heal with.”

Somebody else, might say something like, “Sex is just another activity that friends can do together and I think we’re friends. I really enjoy our friendship, and we can play checkers right now, or we can go sailing, or we can have sex. Sex is just a really rich and interesting kind of activity to engage in with friends. I don’t think it changes whether or not we’re friends, or what kind of relationship we have. It’s just a part of our friendship.

Somebody else might say something like, “If I have sex with you, it means that you’ve passed the test. I don’t feel that safe with many people. For me to be interested and engaging sexually with you means you passed the test and I feel that safe with you. So I’m assuming we’re deepening into a much greater level of commitment by having sex with each other, because I’m finally being vulnerable with you in a way that I rarely am with anybody.”

And there are many more kinds of meanings that somebody might give. In fact, somebody might say something like, “I’m really not that interested in sex with you. I’m not even particularly attracted to you, but I really love you, and I care about our connection. I can tell sex matters to you, so I kind of want to do it for you. I’m not really self-sacrificing. It’s not that it will be bad for me. It’s just that I’m really orienting toward you, and I wanna do it because it’s something that you’ll enjoy.”

Now, all of these are very different from one another. Some of them may be inspiring to you, like “Oh I want to try that one out.” And some of them may be horrifying to you, like “Oh, I don’t want to go anywhere near that”.

But you’ll know more about it if you have the conversation and then ask a further series of questions to know more about what that meaning means to them. Questions like, “Do you expect that we’ll sleepover afterwards? What do you expect will happen tomorrow if we have sex today, or tonight? Is there an assumption about level of commitment? Is there an assumption about exclusivity, about not having sex with other people if we have sex with each other? Is there a kind of frequency that you’re going to expect us to date or have sex with if we do have sex now and we both like it?”

These are all kinds of things you would like to know in advance, and it allows you to make a conscious choice about what you’re going into.

Calling any of these conversations “safe sex” conversations is kind of a funny thing to call them. It’s not really about safety, although that is one component of what we are talking about. Really what they are is just sex conversations, and it’s really good to have sex conversations.

And the only reason we don’t have them a lot more, especially with new prospective partners, is because we’ve learned to carry so much shame about our sexualities and about the nature of sex. Having open, honest conversations about sex not only allows us to be safer and protect ourselves and each other, but it just allows us to get to know each other better and more deeply before entering into this kind of extraordinary intimacy with one another.

If you can’t have this kind of intimacy verbally and on the level of meanings, on the level of what’s really true for you, on the level of honesty, then it’s harder to have real intimacy when engaged physically with one another. If you can have this conversation in advance, sex is much better, it can go much deeper, much richer, and you can be more relaxed entering into the process, which allows you to be much more excited about it.

So have the standard<b> safe sex </font></b>conversation, but also ask people, “What is it going to mean to you if we have sex?”

demonicsexkitten 48F
10694 posts
6/21/2014 6:29 pm

Thank you for sharing this.


Smokeblower replies on 6/22/2014 1:56 am:
You're welcome. Feel free to pump or link. It's a process I go through with each new lover.

KItkat1415 61F  
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6/22/2014 3:24 pm

Wow, great post and I really like what this writer has to say.
Thanks for introducing that writer to us,
Smokeblower!
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Smokeblower replies on 6/22/2014 4:54 pm:
You're welcome, Kitkat. It's ironic - I've taught this conversation to many of my clients, and yet it's easier said than done. Sometimes you don't even know your own self when asked. For example, I have a lover with whom I've had the most intense sexual connection of my life. Going into this conversation with her I said that sex will deepen a connection for me - which is generally what I've felt in the past. In this case, however, I went ape-shit addicted to her and tried to cage her because I was so withdrawn when we were apart. It's taken a lot of processing for me to understand what was happening and now I feel I've let go. I still want her body (oh so VERY much) and I still love her, but I've let go of the connection between sex with her and needing to partner with her, for which she is clearly not ready.

I would love it if you were to pimp this article. I really believe it's important.

sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
6/28/2014 9:58 am

Excellent and great post.. ty for sharing too hugs V

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Smokeblower replies on 6/28/2014 6:41 pm:
Thanks V! Loving your support!

demonicsexkitten 48F
10694 posts
6/29/2014 1:01 pm

I finally got around to linking to your post Sharing on my blog for all to see.

Now... just to start practicing lol. It's so easy to just assume everybody wants the same as you... or, in some instances, the opposite ... when dialog would prove otherwise (last night somebody on IM actually messaged me because he read my profile and saw I was looking for platonic. Most guys on IM don't read profiles at all and assume you're just putting out if they say "hi" lol)


Smokeblower replies on 6/30/2014 10:22 pm:
Thank you for the link, DSK.

Practicing this is much harder than it seems. It really requires us to be transparent to ourselves as much as to others. For me, it's much harder to look deeply at myself and ask "what do I really want from this encounter / this relationship?" than to ask someone else the same question. Good luck with your practice, and I'm glad to be your platonic friend by long distance!

Imprezident 40M
16 posts
7/30/2014 6:37 pm

Good read. Most people do not put in the effort to communicate well, and ultimately that leads to mistrust and overall just falling out the encounter/relationship in the longer term.


BSandI 67M/107M
58 posts
8/22/2014 12:05 pm

Interesting commentary....makes sense to me and avoids a lot of damage.


2biteit 58M
230 posts
12/28/2014 2:55 pm

Thanks for the post!! It's really a great eyeopener; this is the type of conversation we should all be having.


VerandahPoly 80M  
526 posts
3/2/2015 8:56 am

Thank you for the insightful post, smokeblower. I found it by way of DemonicSexKitten. Now I may have to take a look at the rest of your blog.


s2ndegree 65M
9800 posts
8/11/2015 11:02 pm

They are great thoughts but there be can a lot of disappointments arising in this
type of open communication.I've never seen any shame in sex but I know it's
out there and a lot of people have it for many different reasons.

In the back of my mind I can't help to think this could also be used as a type of manipulation because of its depth.I suppose you'd only know that when you had a great time together and the conversation you had with a particular
person doesn't return any calls.P U A ?

Using more than all the road!


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