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William Walwyn What an inequitable thing it is for one man to have thousands, and another want bread, and that the pleasure of God is, that all men should have enough, and not that one man should abound in this worlds good, spending it upon his lusts, and another man of far better deserts, not be worth two pence, and that it is no such difficulty as men make it to be, to alter the course of the world in this thing, and that a few diligent and valiant spirits may turn the world upside down, if they observe their seasons, and shall with life and courage ingage accordingly. William Walwyn 1600-1681, Leveller Become a member now and get a free tote bag. |
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ya, what he said ...  (walks away scratching head  )
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you old socialist you well darlin', I may sell my house and head to Dublin where at least I have family and I know it'll be kin who are shooting at me You cannot conceive the many without the one.
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Excellent post McPairs! Mr Walwyn was clearly a man of substance. I think I read in the Guardian a report by Oxfam that the world's 62 richest billionaires own as much as the poorer 50% of the world's people. Earlier this year maybe, or maybe last year.......something is horribly wrong if that statistic is true.........
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The Levellers were well ahead of their time in promoting socialism. I just can't fully understand why far more people aren't socialist, but capitalist forces are at play. After the so-called global financial crisis in 2007/2008, I was hoping that an alternative organising idea would emerge - whether green, socialist, anarchist or whatever - but it didn't happen. Neoliberal capitalism, it seems, is the only game in town. And all politicians can do now is to promise to manage capitalism better. I've just re-read John Rawls' theory of justice and his case for equality, or at least moving towards greater equality, seems more relevant now than when he was writing in the 1970s. If people, under a veil of ignorance - not knowing how their perfect society would affect them - planned their utopia, it would not be this society. People would prefer equality and social justice. But many people know they have a vested interest in inequality so keep supporting the system. I took out a mortgage to buy my apartment. Consequently, I like low interest rates. I have a material interest in capitalism working. Capitalism just corrupts! Sorry, your post prompted me to go off on one!  
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It's a lovely thought....perfection and equality in this oh so imperfect world....however I don't see the decline of Capitalism in my lifetime.  ~~Anais Nin~~
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I just can't fully understand why far more people aren't socialist, but capitalist forces are at play Well, as a happy capitalist, I would say that I like that the effort I put in is generally rewarded by the rewards I reap. I don't preclude the idea of charity, mentoring, or other ways of assisting people who a striving. Heck, I had people who helped me along the way. As disproportionately distributed as the wealth of the world is, there are still, many, many people who give their time and other resources to other. I also think that a certain amount of socialism is necessary: a strong military, roads, and other community assets. Aside from taxes, I feel that I should be the one to decide how to spend the money I earn. Incent me to be charitable (well, not me, I'm a bit of a do-gooder, but you get what I mean), don't force me to share.
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I understand that there will always be the people who praise capitalism and those that praise socialism; that we have both in the USA is not satisfying either faction. Kk The observant make the best lovers, I may not do right, but I do write, I have bliss, joy, and happiness in my life, Kitkat Come check out my blog KItkat1415 check out this post by me Adventures In Body Grooming #39 April Topic Link: What Lies Beneath If April Showers Oh Bloody Hell What Kind Of Weather Turns Me On Bloggers Symposium 40
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Bonjour Kzoopair Ne connaissant pas William Walwyn j'ai chercher avec Ya hhoo et la cinquième annonce était la tienne Pour moi les humains seront toujours un mystère Quand un empereur romain faisait un triomphe l'esclave qui tenait sa couronne de laurier au dessus de sa tête disait " N'oublis pas César que tu n'est qu'un mortel " Mais il l'oubliait toujours ♥ Bisou ♥ Poton ♥ Annie ♥ Hello Kzoopair Not knowing William Walwyn I look with Ya hhoo and fifth announcement was yours For me the human will always be a mystery When a Roman emperor made a triumphal the slave holding his laurel wreath above his head he saying "Do not forgotten you Caesar you are is only a mortal" But he always forgot ♥ Kiss ♥ Annie ♥      
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It's a favorite of mine. I'm fascinated with the era and it's people. They often looked at the world from a theological perspective but in so many respects they were thoroughly modern thinkers. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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ya, what he said ... (walks away scratching head )Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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you old socialist you well darlin', I may sell my house and head to Dublin where at least I have family and I know it'll be kin who are shooting at me Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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Excellent post McPairs! Mr Walwyn was clearly a man of substance. I think I read in the Guardian a report by Oxfam that the world's 62 richest billionaires own as much as the poorer 50% of the world's people. Earlier this year maybe, or maybe last year.......something is horribly wrong if that statistic is true......... Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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The Levellers were well ahead of their time in promoting socialism. I just can't fully understand why far more people aren't socialist, but capitalist forces are at play. After the so-called global financial crisis in 2007/2008, I was hoping that an alternative organising idea would emerge - whether green, socialist, anarchist or whatever - but it didn't happen. Neoliberal capitalism, it seems, is the only game in town. And all politicians can do now is to promise to manage capitalism better. I've just re-read John Rawls' theory of justice and his case for equality, or at least moving towards greater equality, seems more relevant now than when he was writing in the 1970s. If people, under a veil of ignorance - not knowing how their perfect society would affect them - planned their utopia, it would not be this society. People would prefer equality and social justice. But many people know they have a vested interest in inequality so keep supporting the system. I took out a mortgage to buy my apartment. Consequently, I like low interest rates. I have a material interest in capitalism working. Capitalism just corrupts! Sorry, your post prompted me to go off on one! We all have to live in a world we never made, Spunky. I've ended up invested in this system too, just to survive. But that necessity doesn't make it just. If the current trend continues we'll soon be witnessing end stage capitalism. In the game of monopoly, when one player has all the money the game is over. That's where we're headed. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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It's a lovely thought....perfection and equality in this oh so imperfect world....however I don't see the decline of Capitalism in my lifetime. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! William Wallace LOL!  Louis D. Brandeis Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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I just can't fully understand why far more people aren't socialist, but capitalist forces are at play Well, as a happy capitalist, I would say that I like that the effort I put in is generally rewarded by the rewards I reap. I don't preclude the idea of charity, mentoring, or other ways of assisting people who a striving. Heck, I had people who helped me along the way. As disproportionately distributed as the wealth of the world is, there are still, many, many people who give their time and other resources to other. I also think that a certain amount of socialism is necessary: a strong military, roads, and other community assets. Aside from taxes, I feel that I should be the one to decide how to spend the money I earn. Incent me to be charitable (well, not me, I'm a bit of a do-gooder, but you get what I mean), don't force me to share. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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I understand that there will always be the people who praise capitalism and those that praise socialism; that we have both in the USA is not satisfying either faction. Kk Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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Bonjour Kzoopair Ne connaissant pas William Walwyn j'ai chercher avec Ya hhoo et la cinquième annonce était la tienne Pour moi les humains seront toujours un mystère Quand un empereur romain faisait un triomphe l'esclave qui tenait sa couronne de laurier au dessus de sa tête disait " N'oublis pas César que tu n'est qu'un mortel " Mais il l'oubliait toujours ♥ Bisou ♥ Poton ♥ Annie ♥ Hello Kzoopair Not knowing William Walwyn I look with Ya hhoo and fifth announcement was yours For me the human will always be a mystery When a Roman emperor made a triumphal the slave holding his laurel wreath above his head he saying "Do not forgotten you Caesar you are is only a mortal" But he always forgot ♥ Kiss ♥ Annie ♥ Il est souvent été commode d'oublier. Auguste ne devient empereur en battant le Sénat ou la conquête de Rome dans la bataille. Les choses ne travaillaient plus dans la république et il a promis aux citoyens qu'il était le seul homme qui pourrait it- fixer un peu comme ce qui est en train de faire Trump aujourd'hui. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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That is one deep run-on sentence. Didn't know thy guy, but have learned some by reading the comments.
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That is one deep run-on sentence. Didn't know thy guy, but have learned some by reading the comments.  Fortunately Strunk and White had not yet written "Elements of Style" or we might not have Sonnet eighteen, "The Passionate Shepherd to His Love" or "Song to Celia". The prose of the English revolutionaries was a tough nut to crack at times, but they knew they were witnessing a scam and a ripoff. And they said so, at risk of financial ruin and great physical harm. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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[image1]George Orwell's house where he was born and lived. Still there, exactly as he left it when he went for treatment for T.B. Now they are going to turn it into the first George Orwell museum. Bill, Socialism doesn't work. It kills initiative and competition which in turn kills innovation and productivity. Capitalism based on Pax Romana/ colonialism (which started the whole mess of monogamy and foreign conquest). Corporatism has replaced colonialism. Pax Americana is called Project for the new American century(PNAC). As linodo correctly said that 62 people own 50% of global wealth. What he didn't mention is the second part of the report ie 1% of people own MORE wealth than 99% combined. There was another report published by OECD at the same time. They found that India from AD 1 to 1540 had 35% of world GDP. The richest country in the world for the longest time in history. Then came the Islamic invasion of India followed by the British. When the British left India's share of World GDP was less than 2%. Today it is just over3%.(Indian rupee was equal to 1 British pound) Today 1 pound will buy 100 rupees. An Indian who makes 138 rupee a day has the purchasing power of U.S $2 instead of $150/day) It is not that Indians didn't work from 1540 to 1947. They actually worked harder and longer. But their wealth went to people like Colonel Winston Churchill of the Indian Army, Rudyard Kipling the colonial evangelist, Elihu Yale an (American born) Scotsman who was the president of Madras presidency( in Southern India). In 1780 Warren hastings the first Governor General of British India decided to conquer China by making Chinese elite drug addicts with opium. He forced Indian farmers to produce opium. the bankers who facilitated the trade(became richest family in the world) later moved to Europe and changed their family name to into German 'Red Shield' ie Rothschild. The merchant family who worked for them and shipped opium to china were the Roosevelt family. Rothschilds moved to Europe with their money, Roosevelt's move to America and became Presidents, Yale moved to C.T, and gave some of his money to build a University, then returned to Scotland and died there. Col Churchill became Prime Minister of the British Empire. Kipling Moved to Dummerston, Vermont, U.S.A built an Indian style house and wrote kids books for his daughter. When she died he moved to England. One guy who railed against these upper class was a middle class Indian policeman named Erick Blair also of English origin. To avoid stigmatizing the Blair's (his extended family for ever), He changed his name and wrote books about Government, wealth etc. His name George Orwell. Being a poor/middle class Indian he died of T.B when he was in his 40's. His essay "shooting an elephant" is one of my favorite. 2 fucked up countries in Europe followed the old Indian economic system after WWII. Sweden and Finland. Pure capitalism and free trade and very high taxes. Both countries motto was Equality for All. Like the pre-colonial Indians they thrived. These countries stlll have one of the highest quality and best standard of living in the world.Finland ranks number 1 in education in the world as well. Sweden became socialist in the 90's. They decreased the taxes for corporations sold saab and volvo to GM and Ford, still continued to provide the services that was made possible by the innovative Swedish capitalist in the past. Along with Merkel they imported a lot of the illiterate feral beast from the middle east, hell bent on conquest, death and destruction. Sweden is sinking fast under socialism. The history teaches that, countries that promote unfettered capitalism and trade with high taxes/tariffs and spend it for common good. Who also have high inheritance taxes, (so that wealth doesn't accumulate in a few hands) is the way to achieve equality and high standard of living for all, generation after generation. Today South Korea and Singapore practices that. In just one generation these 2 countries achieved what Sweden and Finland achieved after WWII. We have no one who advocates this for us in the U.S. It is either Tax and Spend or Cut and Spend. "Rules for happiness: something to do, someone to love, something to hope for.”― Immanuel Kant .
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[image1]George Orwell's house where he was born and lived. Still there, exactly as he left it when he went for treatment for T.B. Now they are going to turn it into the first George Orwell museum. Bill, Socialism doesn't work. It kills initiative and competition which in turn kills innovation and productivity. Capitalism based on Pax Romana/ colonialism (which started the whole mess of monogamy and foreign conquest). Corporatism has replaced colonialism. Pax Americana is called Project for the new American century(PNAC). As linodo correctly said that 62 people own 50% of global wealth. What he didn't mention is the second part of the report ie 1% of people own MORE wealth than 99% combined. There was another report published by OECD at the same time. They found that India from AD 1 to 1540 had 35% of world GDP. The richest country in the world for the longest time in history. Then came the Islamic invasion of India followed by the British. When the British left India's share of World GDP was less than 2%. Today it is just over3%.(Indian rupee was equal to 1 British pound) Today 1 pound will buy 100 rupees. An Indian who makes 138 rupee a day has the purchasing power of U.S $2 instead of $150/day) It is not that Indians didn't work from 1540 to 1947. They actually worked harder and longer. But their wealth went to people like Colonel Winston Churchill of the Indian Army, Rudyard Kipling the colonial evangelist, Elihu Yale an (American born) Scotsman who was the president of Madras presidency( in Southern India). In 1780 Warren hastings the first Governor General of British India decided to conquer China by making Chinese elite drug addicts with opium. He forced Indian farmers to produce opium. the bankers who facilitated the trade(became richest family in the world) later moved to Europe and changed their family name to into German 'Red Shield' ie Rothschild. The merchant family who worked for them and shipped opium to china were the Roosevelt family. Rothschilds moved to Europe with their money, Roosevelt's move to America and became Presidents, Yale moved to C.T, and gave some of his money to build a University, then returned to Scotland and died there. Col Churchill became Prime Minister of the British Empire. Kipling Moved to Dummerston, Vermont, U.S.A built an Indian style house and wrote kids books for his daughter. When she died he moved to England. One guy who railed against these upper class was a middle class Indian policeman named Erick Blair also of English origin. To avoid stigmatizing the Blair's (his extended family for ever), He changed his name and wrote books about Government, wealth etc. His name George Orwell. Being a poor/middle class Indian he died of T.B when he was in his 40's. His essay "shooting an elephant" is one of my favorite. 2 fucked up countries in Europe followed the old Indian economic system after WWII. Sweden and Finland. Pure capitalism and free trade and very high taxes. Both countries motto was Equality for All. Like the pre-colonial Indians they thrived. These countries stlll have one of the highest quality and best standard of living in the world.Finland ranks number 1 in education in the world as well. Sweden became socialist in the 90's. They decreased the taxes for corporations sold saab and volvo to GM and Ford, still continued to provide the services that was made possible by the innovative Swedish capitalist in the past. Along with Merkel they imported a lot of the illiterate feral beast from the middle east, hell bent on conquest, death and destruction. Sweden is sinking fast under socialism. The history teaches that, countries that promote unfettered capitalism and trade with high taxes/tariffs and spend it for common good. Who also have high inheritance taxes, (so that wealth doesn't accumulate in a few hands) is the way to achieve equality and high standard of living for all, generation after generation. Today South Korea and Singapore practices that. In just one generation these 2 countries achieved what Sweden and Finland achieved after WWII. We have no one who advocates this for us in the U.S. It is either Tax and Spend or Cut and Spend. You've thrown a lot of data into your comment, none of it demonstrating that socialism doesn't work. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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There may be something to your theory, KtMnDu. Korzybski wrote about this in "Science and Sanity"- that human progress can be expressed as an exponential function of time. He takes a view counter to your own- that we build upon the knowledge of previous generations. We don't have to relearn through trial and error or serendipity all the accumulated knowledge of preceding generations. But in support of your own idea, we do seem to be condemned to keep repeating history over and over and over. It was Korzybski's wish that we could learn a new way to think and a new way of perception. There's a natural appeal for me in men like Walwyn. He spoke truth to power in a time when that was a very dangerous thing to do. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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A beautiful post KZ hugssss V Become a blog watcher sweet_vm
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I read Larry Elliott's piece in The Guardian and, though not praising Brexit, argued that it provoded an opportunity to re-balance the British economy. I hope that happens but I'm not holding my breath. What I meant by an alternative organising idea was an idea with increasing political and popular support to challenge the neoliberal capitalist hegemony that has dominated the West since the late 1970s. Socialism and social democracy is in retreat (even if Hillary Clinton wins), communism is almost dead, anarchism only attracts minority support, and green ideas, though more poular, are being assimilated. Capitalism, perhaps along with nationalsim, is the only serious game in town.
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