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There is more than one reason to do a recount...
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There is more than one reason to do a recount... It isn't just to be sure the results are accurate but to be sure the results weren't hacked in some way. If the results of the election were effected by hacking the machines or some part of the system isn't it essential to discover this break in security and take actions to prevent it in the future or would you prefer to have the hackers deciding who the president and your "elected" representatives are in the future? If a recount isn't done most states do essentially nothing to actually verify the results of the voting machines tabulations. Yes some machines have a self check system but that can be hacked just as easy as the rest of the machine. Some states like Ohio actually have no paper trail to do a proper verification of the outcome. If a voting machine, which is a computer whether it is a simple optical scanner or a touchscreen paperless machine with no paper ballot is hacked as all computers can be, then the only way to prove it has been hacked is by manualy recounting the paper ballots. I'm personally of the opinion all voting should be done by easily verifiable means that can be accessed at anytime down the road as needed and that all elections should be checked for accuracy by a manual paper recount as needed. Do you think all the hacks of the emails and the voter registration offices was just for fun? Do you think it may have been a distraction device to draw your attention away from the real goal of hacking key areas with close margins to effect the outcome of the election? It certainly kept the FBI and other government offices busy tracking down who was doing the hacking of the emails but were they watching the back door? The links below go to some interesting stories on this subject. revealnews.org/blog/meet-the-security-expert-telling-clinton-to-contest-the-election/ put an "at" in the gap medium.com/ jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.z4t3xqdgc Vive La Difference |
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(As a non-US citizen I'll state in advance that I'll not apologise for commenting on this topic. This 'election' affects us all. And this isn't directed at you McTickler........) I'm still gobsmacked to hear claims that the US is the greatest democracy in the world and that anyone who disagrees with the outcome should stop whining. There is no whining, only valid protest and concern. Putting aside the fact that organised voter suppression techniques have already been proven, is it not crucial to the ongoing 'greatness' of trump's nation that he is able to demonstrate the validity of the outcome to the whole of the US in particular, and to the rest of the world in general? And would it not therefore be more appropriate for him to be welcoming this level of scrutiny? There are of course other issues such as the electoral college system, and accountability of politicians for promises and lies, but it seems to me that some fundamentals, for example a fully verifiable voter counting system, are missing here. And please don't misconstrue this as a claim that our UK electoral system is perfect. Far from it, as a first-past-the-post system it is seriously flawed. Seems to me that direct proportional political representation, with fully accountable and verifiable voter registration and vote casting systems, would make for a great democracy.
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While I don't think the machines were hacked, I still support the recount. .. Why not? Just to be sure. No easy task. The systems vary from state to state.I'm glad Nebraska uses paper. That way I know that the ballot I filled out still exists in the event of a malfunction.
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" Drivers licenses should be acceptable but many people who are poor or too old to drive safely or have health problems that prevent them from getting a licence don't have them." This is what I don't understand about people that present that tired old argument. Out of the goodness of your/their hearts why don't you/they set up volunteer services to drive those unable to do so to the places where they can obtain the required documentation and offer rides to the polling place when the time comes? If there is a fee charged for the documents ... why not set up some kind of tax exempt fund or foundation that accepts monetary donations to pay the fees for those who can't? Why depend on the state? Or ... if you want the state to pay for it ... contact your legislators and ask them to propose a bill. So far ... all I have been hearing is complaining for years. AB No Bozos
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"There is more than one reason to do a recount..." I'd say there are, at least, 1.8 million reasons for a recount. In her loss, Clinton produced a margin of victory in the Popular Vote which exceeded those by Carter, Nixon, Kennedy and GW Bush ... who also won the Presidency. At the very least, the outcome is anomalous. So why the big fuss? I'm sure P-E Trump will have a team on hand to ensure fairness. And if he's confident in the original results, then he should welcome the challenge. He not only has a chance to beat Clinton a second time but also end any debate about his legitimacy.
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Interesting how those who cried in the past now hate the idea of actually verifying the vote count. I've been under the assumption that the majority of the people are the rule. Unlike in . . . oh . . . Russia, hummm.  BTW, using the "H-word" h*a*c*k (or a variant) may get your post deleted. When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
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Re-count Philadelphia, yes... Ward leaders there have been stuffing the ballot box since who knows when... Oh hat would they find in Calif in LA Those dam Ruskies have tapped into every machine in the country We have a perfect system that is imperfect.. Now to tie up the court system challenging each vote..Make the lawyers rich..
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11/27/2016 11:25 am |
There should always be a paper back up, just to keep things fair for both sides.
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"I'm personally of the opinion all voting should be done by easily verifiable means that can be accessed at anytime down the road as needed and that all elections should be checked for accuracy by a manual paper recount as needed." Then you should also be in favor of some kind of positive voter ID. If the votes are to be verifiable ... then those casting the votes should be verifiable as well. AB No Bozos
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All elections should be conducted with a possibility of a recount. So paper and electronic trails are necessary.  
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The so called Hilary recount is just because her and her pathetic minions can not accept there pathetic loss. Her like them actually thought because she is suppose to be a woman that it was once again her turn Well SUPRISE !! Deal with it Make America Great Again !!
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