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Do you think people who create false news stories...  

tickles4us 62M
1600 posts
12/11/2016 2:23 pm

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12/13/2016 12:26 am

Do you think people who create false news stories...


should be charged and prosecuted with a crime?

Do you know the issue I'm referring to?

Stories like the Pizzagate one that created a totally false story against political people.

Stories that get spread<b> around the world </font></b>as though they are fact.

Stories that result in people who believe them calling and making threats to people who work at the business named.

Stories that can and do affect the business' income potential and can result in the failure of said business.

Stories that result in threats and actions against individuals whom are totally innocent.

So do you think that such activities should be a criminal offense and the perpetrators who start such stories and the media entities who pick up and add to or spread such stories as true should be prosecuted as well as being held financially liable for damages?

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
12/12/2016 7:18 pm

    Quoting tickles4us:
    from history.com/topics/salem-witch-trials

    The infamous Salem witch trials began during the spring of 1692, after a group of young girls in Salem Village, Massachusetts, claimed to be possessed by the devil and accused several local women of witchcraft. As a wave of hysteria spread throughout colonial Massachusetts, a special court convened in Salem to hear the cases; the first convicted witch, Bridget Bishop, was hanged that June. Eighteen others followed Bishop to Salem’s Gallows Hill, while some 150 more men, women and children were accused over the next several months. By September 1692, the hysteria had begun to abate and public opinion turned against the trials. Though the Massachusetts General Court later annulled guilty verdicts against accused witches and granted indemnities to their families, bitterness lingered in the community, and the painful legacy of the Salem witch trials would endure for centuries.
I have a couple of ancestors who were involved in the Salem witchcraft outbreak. Even many fire and brimstone preachers tried and failed to stem the tide of accusations and retribution.

The law can be imprecise and justice elusive, but I think the creators of fake news stories that attach no disclaimer should be prosecuted for libel. Satire and parody are protected speech, and in spite of their protestations to the contrary, the fake news writers didn't mean to entertain, they meant to deceive.

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tickles4us replies on 12/12/2016 9:44 pm:
I agree with that but I also think in the cases where people are suffering more than financial losses there should be a criminal charge and jail time. Unfortunately there are to many people out there who would gladly pay a fine in order to get the results they are looking for when they generate false stories or propagate them.

wickedeasy 74F
32404 posts
12/12/2016 11:54 am

there should be some consequence for it, yes. but the damage is already done, especially with social media.........it runs like a wildfire and it can't be untold. people believe the most ridiculous things. BECAUSE they want to.

it is next to impossible to untell a lie. even with facts. so if you hit them with a monetary fine........maybe just maybe they will think twice.....

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tickles4us replies on 12/12/2016 3:58 pm:
I agree though I might be of the mind to go further with jail time at least in some cases.

spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
12/12/2016 8:39 am

I presume people can go to court, depending on their jurisdiction, to claim any damages from false stories.
If falso stories were banned many UK tabloid newspapers would go under!


tickles4us replies on 12/12/2016 3:56 pm:
Yeah you can take someone or an organization to court but it isn't any to sure a bet that you will get anything and the process is expensive. That's why I think at least for some offences it should be a crime as then the state does the prosecution.

Wouldn't it be nice if those publications either had to print this is a work of fiction on their front page or go out of business?

maggeemay 56F
320 posts
12/12/2016 4:19 am

It seems fake news is the natural progression from the fabled Nigerian prince, asking for money only to reward you handsomely, from years ago. Naive is as naive does and the clicks to read (to me) these obviously false stories only results in money for these organizations. I think we as a society have lost our ability to take in this "reporting" and critically analyze the information provided.


tickles4us replies on 12/12/2016 3:52 pm:
I agree but what worries me is the fools who willfully believe the stories even when presented with the obvious truth.

pocogato12 71F  
37235 posts
12/11/2016 9:49 pm

    Quoting tickles4us:
    While we're at it what do you think about people or organizations that expose peoples private information such as telephone numbers, addresses, personal records etc.?
I am one of those people who has been "victimized" by such people and organizations. I have an unpublished phone number which I pay for. Someone has used my address ( I am in the process of getting this off my credit reports),aan my city gave out my address and phone number to pollsters. Yep, they should all be in jail

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tickles4us replies on 12/11/2016 10:38 pm:
Pollsters at least sometimes are just randomly dialing numbers in an area code and your mailing address can be bought from anybody you have done business with that has it if they don't have a privacy policy that covers not selling it or giving it out to associates etc. Of course there are the employees that work at places that steal information to sell it also. I think it should be against the law to call anyone you don't have a relationship with to sell poll or otherwise bother them, after all I don't pay for my phone service for pollsters to bother me or for salespeople to bother me either.

Then there are the criminals that steal/collect peoples information for the purpose of stealing their identities and opening up accounts or getting medical services etc. The criminals should be locked up.

redrockrascal 65M
23580 posts
12/11/2016 5:14 pm

When cable "news" came along and a pathway to making money via news reporting was opened up was when journalism really died. Stories were bought and made up and no need to verify facts. Go back to a case I mentioned once before - the Duke Lacrosse thing. "BREAKING NEWS" that (lies, deceit, lack of integrity) has become the norm now.

Creating a law(s) that would sufficiently deal with the issue would be very difficult given the First Amendment issues that would come up. The current media would oppose it. Then who would sponsor such a law? It doesn't benefit politicians. Oh hey there is the national referendum route . . . oh, wait, there isn't.

do you think that such activities should be a criminal offense? Yes, especially if people are hurt in any way.

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tickles4us replies on 12/11/2016 10:26 pm:
It would be difficult to enact legislation but I expect it is only a matter of time as people refuse to censor themselves. All it will take is one incident which we almost had with the pizza place and the idiot with the gun.

pagancountrygirl 66F
6466 posts
12/11/2016 3:53 pm

When it's published and does damage to someone or a business, it will fall under libel/slander/defamation of character. Yes, the guilty party can and should be prosecuted and held responsible for monetary damages.

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tickles4us replies on 12/11/2016 10:23 pm:
But what about criminal charges if someone gets injured or killed because of someones fake story? Should the story maker promoter be charged with a crime and spend time in jail? Certainly I agree with recovering damages but there is the potential for serious injury or death because of a follower of one of these stories going to far.

hotfun_1966 57M
3677 posts
12/11/2016 3:25 pm

If they incite riots or other damage to life, liberty and property, I think so. This is the online equivalent of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater where there is no fire.


tickles4us replies on 12/11/2016 10:19 pm:
We agree then.

CeriosEros 39M
642 posts
12/11/2016 3:13 pm

No one should be put in jail we should go back to real journalism. Only reason these stories spend is because formly reputable news outlets are now click bait farms that don't really care about the facts only the narrative. Forcing people to seek news elsewhere. Giving more of these fake news sites legitimacy.


tickles4us replies on 12/11/2016 10:17 pm:
I think the main stream press is getting an undeserved bad reputation for some of the stuff that has gone on. I do think the press has done a poor job of handling the news objectively at times though and that they have a problem with their priorities.

I think you miss-worded that last line as you can't give legitimacy to a fake news site but people who are looking for juicy news stories that support their views are likely to claim it is legitimate which is the problem as people are not checking on the story before they choose to believe.

If the fool that went into the pizza place and fired off three rounds had killed someone would you still think no one should be held responsible for creating and promoting fake stories as though they are real and truthful stories? If someone stalks and kills someone based on the fake stories should the people responsible for the stories be held responsible?

Tmptrzz 61F  
107039 posts
12/11/2016 3:12 pm

I am sure one of these days they will start prosecuting them for making up false stories. I mean seriously it's like people are getting prosecuted or sued for so many different things these days..

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tickles4us replies on 12/11/2016 10:05 pm:
True there are way to many bullshit court cases being brought by crooked lawyers and greedy individuals but this is a crime that should be handled as such and it won't be a civil court case but a criminal one.

Furbal1972 51M
18571 posts
12/11/2016 2:55 pm

I think this is a slippery slope. It is why there are civil "libel" laws on the books. (That you know who thinks he can dismantle.)

There is suddenly more awareness of fake news stories in general. .. But what is currently being done about them is too little too late.

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tickles4us replies on 12/11/2016 10:03 pm:
The liable laws are fine for suing for damages but they do nothing to punish individuals, corporations or businesses that knowing participate in these kinds of activities. There has to be a punishment related to the crime to keep some people from doing it as some people are more than willing to take their chances in a court room for libel laws.

tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
12/11/2016 2:43 pm

from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_(conspiracy_theory)

After the shooting incident at Comet Ping Pong, Michael Flynn Jr., a member of President-Elect Donald Trump's transition team and the son of Michael T. Flynn, Trump's designate for National Security Advisor, tweeted:

Until #Pizzagate proven to be false, it'll remain a story. The left seems to forget #PodestaEmails and the many 'coincidences' tied to it.

On December 6, 2016 Flynn Jr. was forced out of Trump's transition team. Spokesman Jason Miller did not identify the reason for Flynn Jr.'s dismissal; however, The New York Times reported that other officials had confirmed it was related to the tweet. Flynn Jr.'s father had previously posted similarly conspiratorial material regarding Hillary Clinton alleging that Clinton's campaign manager, John Podesta, drank the blood and bodily fluids of other humans in Satanic rituals, which Politico says "soon morphed into the '#pizzagate' conspiracy theory involving Comet Ping Pong."

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tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
12/11/2016 2:37 pm

from history.com/topics/salem-witch-trials

The infamous Salem witch trials began during the spring of 1692, after a group of young girls in Salem Village, Massachusetts, claimed to be possessed by the devil and accused several local women of witchcraft. As a wave of hysteria spread throughout colonial Massachusetts, a special court convened in Salem to hear the cases; the first convicted witch, Bridget Bishop, was hanged that June. Eighteen others followed Bishop to Salem’s Gallows Hill, while some 150 more men, women and children were accused over the next several months. By September 1692, the hysteria had begun to abate and public opinion turned against the trials. Though the Massachusetts General Court later annulled guilty verdicts against accused witches and granted indemnities to their families, bitterness lingered in the community, and the painful legacy of the Salem witch trials would endure for centuries.

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tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
12/11/2016 2:30 pm

It's a sad day in America when it's "citizens" are attacking pizza joints based on idiotic conspiracy theories.

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tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
12/11/2016 2:25 pm

While we're at it what do you think about people or organizations that expose peoples private information such as telephone numbers, addresses, personal records etc.?

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