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Were you influenced by the propaganda during the election?
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25831 posts 1/21/2017 10:38 am |
Yes, I was influenced by the propaganda. It sickened me and made me lose nearly all respect for major media in America. There was a time when it wasn't all spin, smoke and mirrors. Now what we see on TV is corporatist bullshit, trolling with clickbait. Fascism is tailor made for the television news. You don't need to pay reporters when you aren't concerned about facts.
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tickles4us replies on 1/21/2017 9:23 pm:
There was/is a lot of bullshit for sure but at least you had the sense to see through it all.  |
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3677 posts 1/11/2017 12:45 am |
The recount was cut short by a Republican in Florida and by the SCOTUS which makes it questionable. If you understood what the intention was for the electors of the electoral college you would know that they were to vote according to their knowledge and understanding of whom would be the best person for the job not according to the distorted popular vote from their states. The system was twisted soon after it went into use. I bet if it was the Republican party that lost the election due to the electoral college it would have been eliminated by now but as long as they benefit from it they will want to keep it.
I didn't say voter ID laws specifically are underhanded though they are being used to discourage the poor and many other people from voting who would likely be voting Democratic. I was referring to the lists the Republicans have made that remove peoples names from the voter lists because they are similar to names of other people in the same or other areas. A method that has turned voters away from the ballot box or required them to fill out provisional ballots (if they knew to ask for them or should I say insist on being given one, as some people at the ballots have been saying they didn't have them or did not inform the people that was an option) that don't get counted because they require the voter to follow up within a short time to verify they are the person they are and have to jump through hoops to do so. That's just a couple of the tricks the Republican party has been using there are many more means being used to suppress the Democratic vote. In fact one was used in Florida for the Bush 2000 election listing thousands of people as being felons and ineligible to vote when they were not. Obviously you don't do your homework.
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Actually I did do my homework. You bit the Democrat tit too hard, that's why you want the government to find a private eugenics organization (Planned Parenthood) that sells fetal tissue.
Each state has its own procedures for clearing the voter rolls, some are more often enforced than others, and that is one of the few areas where the Congress leaves the states alone. Maybe it is time for a national standard. But look how REAL ID has gone with Congress trying to dictate one standard for drivers licenses to the states: not very well, especially since it is an unfunded mandate from on high.
And who came up with those "butterfly" ballot designs in Florida? Many of them were the counties, themselves. Hanging chads were never a huge problem until the 2000 election either, especially when voters followed the directions to the letter.
The electoral college may (according to Hamilton) have been intended to do that, but the other delegates to the 1787 convention also saw how it would protect smaller states from always being bullied by the larger ones. Again, a built-in provision by the framers, who never intended the President and Vice President to be elected solely by popular vote.
tickles4us replies on 1/11/2017 12:47 pm:
"Actually I did do my homework. You bit the Democrat tit too hard, that's why you want the government to find a private eugenics organization (Planned Parenthood) that sells fetal tissue."
I'm sure you can do better than that. If not maybe you should take a look at the medical sciences and what planned parenthood really does not what the right wing fanatics claim they do.
If you had been reading my blog posts since I started in on the election you would see that I'm all for federal funding of the electoral costs and standardization of the process and the equipment. I believe the system needs an overhaul and the states should not be setting their own rules and conditions. But guess who doesn't want to do anything like that...  Republicans?
Regardless of who came up with them, bad idea that they were the recount should not have been interfered with and the Republican efforts to suppress the Democratic vote should not be allowed. It is a shameful practice to prevent people from being able to vote then claim you won the election. That's called cheating, crooked, despicable behavior.
The protection of the smaller states applies more to their representation in the house and senate. The main issue at the time being the unfair representation of the Southern states by the practice of counting slaves as citizens/population even though they weren't allowed to vote.
from http://FriendFinder-x.com/blog/tickles4us/Is-It-Time-3908461#FriendFinder-x?{}
sourced from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)
Some states reasoned the favorite presidential candidate among the people in their state would have a much better chance if all of the electors selected by their state were sure to vote the same way – a "general ticket" of electors pledged to a party candidate. So the slate of electors chosen by the state were no longer free agents, independent thinkers, or deliberative representatives. They became "voluntary party lackeys and intellectual non-entities." Once one state took that strategy, the others felt compelled to follow suit in order to compete for the strongest influence on the election.
When James Madison and Hamilton, two of the most important architects of the Electoral College, saw this strategy being taken by some states, they protested strongly. Madison and Hamilton both made it clear this approach violated the spirit of the Constitution. According to Hamilton, the selection of the president should be "made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station of president." According to Hamilton, the electors were to analyze the list of potential presidents and select the best one. He also used the term "deliberate." Hamilton considered a pre-pledged elector to violate the spirit of Article II of the Constitution insofar as such electors could make no "analysis" or "deliberate" concerning the candidates. Madison agreed entirely, saying that when the Constitution was written, all of its authors assumed individual electors would be elected in their districts and it was inconceivable a "general ticket" of electors dictated by a state would supplant the concept. Madison wrote to George Hay, |
tickles4us replies on 1/11/2017 12:56 pm:
The general ticket method distorted the results of the elections by essentially not counting the votes cast in a state according to whom they were cast for but by whom won the majority even if by one vote so that all electoral votes would be cast according to the majority winner not divided up as they should have been. It was done by local politicians or would it be better to say by the crooked politicians that were in charge at the time and wanted to boost their effect by counting all their electoral votes as one way even though they should have been divided up. |
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3677 posts 1/10/2017 7:29 pm |
There are some bones I have to pick with you over what you said to Recalcitrant:
tickles4us replies on 1/9/2017 8:24 pm:
"The abortion issue is a hot one and planned parenthood is under attack. These people like to say that the government shouldn't use their tax payers dollars for abortions or for planned parenthood funding (which actually does a whole lot more than abortions). They don't seem to mind spending everybody's tax dollars on wars that shouldn't have been or on farm subsidies though. "
Why does Planned Parenthood need government funding? That's why we have folks like George Soros. Tax dollars spent for war and farm subsidies provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare, as stipulate tend in the Constitution.
"The Republican party has just recently tried to sneak through a change that would destroy the entity that investigates when the congressmen do questionable things. Or to put it another way they don't want people to find out about the crooked deals they make in their jobs or how they are getting paid off for their voting a certain way etc. The only reason they didn't put push it through is because the public heard about it and there was strong public opposition. If they could have snuck it through they would have and in fact that was what they tried to do."
And who called them to task on that? Trump himself, someone whom you seem to bash like crazy.
"Take the fact that the last Bush won the election not by winning the most votes but by the electoral college and under some very questionable circumstances and yet again we have another Republican candidate winning through the same means."
How is the SCOTUS upholding the law a very questionable circumstance? By the way, Al Gore still lost the Florida recount in 2000. And Bush 43 did win outright in 2004 over Commie and Arab sympathizer John Kerry. And we have had three other elections where the popular vote winner did not win the electoral college. That is how the framers designed it!
"Contrary to whatever Trump says he didn't win by a landslide and he only won because the Republican party has been using underhanded means to suppress the Democratic voters in key areas. He had less votes than Hillary."
Excuse me, but how are Voter ID laws underhanded? We require people to show photo ID to cash checks, board interstate and international modes of transport, and for other government services. Why should the polling place be excluded?
tickles4us replies on 1/11/2017 12:21 am:
Why shouldn't planned parenthood get government funding?
As I recall it was the people who were outraged and Trump just jumped on the boat because the wind was blowing that way and it was advantageous to him to tweet out a remark. But if you read the remark you will see it isn't what you make it out to be...
Yes I bash Trump and I have good reason to do so.
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
With all that Congress has to work on, do they really have to make the weakening of the Independent Ethics Watchdog, as unfair as it
10:03 AM - 3 Jan 2017
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
........may be, their number one act and priority. Focus on tax reform, healthcare and so many other things of far greater importance! #DTS
10:07 AM - 3 Jan 2017
Without the interruption that may have thrown your understanding off.
With all that Congress has to work on, do they really have to make the weakening of the Independent Ethics Watchdog, as unfair as it may be, their number one act and priority. Focus on tax reform, healthcare and so many other things of far greater importance!
from huffingtonpost.com/entry/secret-new-rule-allows-house-members-to-hide-records-from-ethics-probes_us_58746aefe4b099cdb0ff34eb
Just when you thought ethics standards couldn’t get much worse on Capitol Hill... It’s emerged that the House GOP quietly changed a rule last week to allow members to keep their records hidden from ethics or criminal investigations.
The tweak allows politicians to conceal any information members produce — even suspicious expenditures and budgets — if the Office of Congressional Ethics or the Department of Justice investigates them for criminal activity, the Center for Responsive Politics reports.
The change essentially makes a member of Congress the owner and sole controller of any records he or she creates, regardless of whether those documents touch on a public interest, such as use of taxpayer funds or the commission of a crime.
“Records created, generated, or received by the congressional office of a Member … are exclusively the personal property of the individual member … and such Member … has control over such records,” the regulation states.
The change granting records control to members was passed without much notice amid news of a plan to gut the independence of the Office of Congressional Ethics, which caused a public outcry but failed to pass.
Under the new regulation, a lawmaker being investigated for misuse of taxpayer funds, for example, might now assert the privilege to withhold spending records from law enforcement authorities. Had that measure existed earlier, certain accounts might not have been accessible for corruption investigations that resulted in charges against members of Congress.
“Why on earth would Congress now create barriers to investigation and subpoenas of a member’s spending records?” Center for Responsive Politics Sheila Krumholz executive director said to the Fiscal Times Monday. “This only benefits the incumbent politicians who passed this rule and those who would flout it, not the system and certainly not the public.”
Allowing House members to block access to their records destroys the “critical element of independent oversight” over government records and members’ activities, she added.
New Hampshire Democratic Rep. Carol Shea-Porter attacked House Republicans for seeking “far less transparency.”
Over the years, several House members have been investigated for criminal activity related to misuse of funds, and have been forced to resign or charged with crimes.
The Office of Congressional Ethics is currently reviewing Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) over allegations that he siphoned off tens of thousands of dollars of campaign funds for personal use ― including paying for his children’s private school tuition and trips to Disneyland, jewelry, video games and sporting goods. The San Diego Union-Tribune reported last week that Hunter used campaign funds to pay for $600 in airline fees to fly a pet rabbit.
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A couple of other sources...
http://worldeventsandthebible.com/2017/01/congress-quietly-passes-new-rule-allowing-house-members-to-hide-records-from-ethics-probes.html
businessinsider.com/us-congress-ethics-probe-rule-2017-1
The recount was cut short by a Republican in Florida and by the SCOTUS which makes it questionable. If you understood what the intention was for the electors of the electoral college you would know that they were to vote according to their knowledge and understanding of whom would be the best person for the job not according to the distorted popular vote from their states. The system was twisted soon after it went into use. I bet if it was the Republican party that lost the election due to the electoral college it would have been eliminated by now but as long as they benefit from it they will want to keep it.
I didn't say voter ID laws specifically are underhanded though they are being used to discourage the poor and many other people from voting who would likely be voting Democratic. I was referring to the lists the Republicans have made that remove peoples names from the voter lists because they are similar to names of other people in the same or other areas. A method that has turned voters away from the ballot box or required them to fill out provisional ballots (if they knew to ask for them or should I say insist on being given one, as some people at the ballots have been saying they didn't have them or did not inform the people that was an option) that don't get counted because they require the voter to follow up within a short time to verify they are the person they are and have to jump through hoops to do so. That's just a couple of the tricks the Republican party has been using there are many more means being used to suppress the Democratic vote. In fact one was used in Florida for the Bush 2000 election listing thousands of people as being felons and ineligible to vote when they were not. Obviously you don't do your homework. |
tickles4us replies on 1/11/2017 12:28 am:
I forgot to ask, do you think the rule change allowing the politicians on the hill to keep their records from ethics or criminal investigators is a good idea or a good way to cover up their illegal or questionable activities? |
tickles4us replies on 1/11/2017 12:38 am:
http://FriendFinder-x.com/blog/tickles4us/Trump's-Right...-The-Election-is-Rigged...-3899985#FriendFinder-x?{}
This is a previous post I did about elections you might like. |
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320 posts 1/10/2017 4:56 pm |
And now there are reports of Russian blackmail, prostitutes and golden showers. Is it real is it fake? To quote Queen: Is this the real life, is this just fantasy, caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.
tickles4us replies on 1/10/2017 5:54 pm:
Queen put it quite well. |
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320 posts 1/10/2017 5:43 am |
Tickles asks readers three simple questions. You WON'T believe the answers. Libs and Cons are BOTH destroyed! Click to read more!
(Giving you a little fake news headline.)
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23580 posts 1/9/2017 7:06 pm |
From my pov the people here aren't as divided as it may seem from the outside. Are we more divided than in our most recent past - yes. But the politicians and media here fuel that fire - for ratings/votes. But, on the streets (not all of them) so to speak, the political BS really isn't believed by many/most people. We do allow (buy into) some of the BS though. The politicians here continue to defund education because they know educated people more easily will see through their BS. Uneducated are more sheep-like.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
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23580 posts 1/9/2017 7:00 pm |
tickles4us replies on 1/9/2017 8:28 pm:
As we both agree that needs to change but it certainly won't happen till the next election now.
I don't see it happening for much longer than that if ever. It would take an almost revolutionary level of changes.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
tickles4us replies on 1/9/2017 11:18 pm:
That revolution may be closer then you think given the soon to be crooked commander in crooked company and all the anger they are going to stir up. |
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1755 posts 1/9/2017 5:57 pm |
It was ALL propaganda.
Please don't let me be misunderstood.
tickles4us replies on 1/9/2017 6:36 pm:
There was truth there you just had to be smart enough to filter through the bullshit. |
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81699 posts 1/9/2017 3:59 pm |
Glad I didn't have a chance to vote hugsssss V
Become a blog watcher sweet_vm
tickles4us replies on 1/9/2017 6:29 pm:
I don't blame you but the outcome will certainly affect you anyways unfortunately. |
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23580 posts 1/9/2017 1:16 pm |
Were you influenced by the propaganda during the election?
Knowing it is Kabuki theater put on by politicians (a.k.a. liars) it doesn't influence me. They are not really answerable to "the people" just the money.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
tickles4us replies on 1/9/2017 6:28 pm:
As we both agree that needs to change but it certainly won't happen till the next election now. |
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3677 posts 1/9/2017 1:11 pm |
It ebbs and flows in our history, but especially since 2000, when Democrats did everything in their power to try and delegitimize the Presidency of George W. Bush, it has gotten worse. Republicans did the same during Obama's tenure, and now the Democrats are at it again regarding Trump.
Reminds me of the phrase about those forgetting history are condemned to repeat it.
George Washington reminded his citizens of the dangers of factions way back in 1796. (See the last part of my post on the American republic: A republic, if we can keep it.)
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3677 posts 1/9/2017 12:54 pm |
Quoting wickedeasy:
I wonder now if America is simply incapable of electing a woman or if it was HIllary that was the wrong woman. I must admit that though I voted for her and I would have voted for any democrat against Trump, I didn't much care for her during this campaign or the last one. I admire her mind. but like so many others, she does not inspire me to "like" her. this is a major glitch for her.
I don't know if Bernie would have succeeded where she failed. but I think a lot of last minute Trump people might have voted Bernie ....shrugs
Personally, I would have no problem electing a well-qualified woman to be POTUS. IMHO, and those of so many Americans outside the liberal strangleholds, Hillary was not that woman. A lot of Bernie supporters were understandably upset when HRC and the DNC conspired to throw the nomination to her.
However, that was only one of nearly a dozen factors that led to her defeat. You can read about the other factors here:
Election 2016 Thoughts
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32404 posts 1/9/2017 11:29 am |
jeeze, I so didn't answer your questions.
no, the fake news stuff didn't influence me.
You cannot conceive the many without the one.
tickles4us replies on 1/9/2017 4:37 pm:
I didn't figure it did. People who are consumed with hate seem to be more prone to that problem. |
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32404 posts 1/9/2017 11:28 am |
I wonder now if America is simply incapable of electing a woman or if it was HIllary that was the wrong woman. I must admit that though I voted for her and I would have voted for any democrat against Trump, I didn't much care for her during this campaign or the last one. I admire her mind. but like so many others, she does not inspire me to "like" her. this is a major glitch for her.
I don't know if Bernie would have succeeded where she failed. but I think a lot of last minute Trump people might have voted Bernie ....shrugs
You cannot conceive the many without the one.
tickles4us replies on 1/9/2017 4:33 pm:
I think it will be harder for a woman to get elected then a man but not impossible. I made quite a few posts about Hillary when she was running against Bernie. They didn't show her in the best light but I knew she would have a close race regardless of whom she was up against and she didn't get down and dirty with Trump. Bernie would have lambasted that cheese head. Hillary has to much bad publicity in her past regardless of whether it is true or not and then add that to her lack of charisma. She just doesn't excite the people and she needed to pull in the swing voters. The swing voters make the choices good or bad about who winds up in the oval office. |
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16552 posts 1/9/2017 11:13 am |
I could never vote for Trump. 
tickles4us replies on 1/9/2017 4:22 pm:
Well I don't like that word never but the other candidate would have to be a whole lot worse then Hillary was before I'd vote for Trump. |
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7262 posts 1/9/2017 10:00 am |
Strangely I guess it's a right side day today. 
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7262 posts 1/9/2017 9:53 am |
Please do leave comments but try to keep them from being a rant with hate filled language.
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